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ROUND 2

Map: Sharqi
EU: 13th vs. Pro-Paketes [pp]
US: 13th vs. Closed Beta Clan



EU:
Saturday 9th July 22:00 CEST on Server 2

US:
Saturday 9th July 18:00 EDT on Server 2

I'd just like to make a note here to please respect the people playing in the cup and do not disturb unless absolutely necessary, which would probably be never. It's a bit rude to jump in and start talking and asking questions when people are trying to win a tournament.

I wouldn't see any problems if you want to jump in and listen, just have your mic on mute. Of course this would be up to the one running the show.

Definatly an interesting match and It showed our many flaws that we need to fix asap.

Also really need to sort teams our and get us practicing because to be honest it was very unorganised and confusing for those playing.

Thank you, Vanhoucke.

The "Eagles" Squad was unfortunately soundly trounced today by a well trained and well equipped rival team.

The Eagles lineup was the following :

- Vanhoucke - Assault
- DacianWolf - Assault ( Tank/APC Driver )
- Nusume - Medic
- Toryin - Medic
- Tommy - Medic
- Skarbrand - Engineer
- Rhydian -Engineer
- Icebox - Recon

The enemy line-up involved 4 Engineers and 4 Assaults.

Here is are the end-round screenshots courtesy of the rival team :

http://www.xfire.com/profile/bugqq/screenshots/?view#115589459
http://www.xfire.com/profile/bugqq/screenshots/?view#115589437
http://www.xfire.com/profile/bugqq/screenshots/?view#115589408

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Eagles tactic :

- Tank driver ( switch to APC or Humvees late in the game as vehicles are destroyed ) : DacianWolf

- Free-roam Sniper : Icebox

- Team 1 : Vanhoucke ( Assault ), Nusume ( Medic ), Skarbrand ( also free roam ) ( Enginner )
- Team 2 : Rhydian ( Engineer ), Toryin ( Medic ), Tommy ( Medic )


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Team Report :

Unfortunately, the Eagles line-up, while sound on paper, was woefully inadequate for the situation on the ground.

The team's line-up was up for debate literally up until the last minute. The team itself never practiced together and the cohesion that naturally builds up over time was non-existent. Communications discipline was lacking.

The enemy however, displayed significant coordination. Comparison between the in-game nicknames in the screenshots and the team line-up ( found here : http://www.wix.com/comandotactico/pt#!comando/vstc4=membros , navigation "Membros"->"Oficias" ) show that Eagles have in-fact met precisely the same people.

It is not unreasonable to assume that the Eagles have met a band of "8 amigos" that have been playing together in this line-up for a long while.

Additionally, the enemy was well equipped. Assaults fielded STG77s and SCAR-Ls and Engineers fielded MP5s.

The Eagles were quite simply outfought and outgunned.

However, I feel I should publicly congratulate both Nusume and Toryin for their performance. The end-game screenshots correctly reflect the effort they put into firefighting the enemy.

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Lessons learned :

Besides those issues pertaining the Eagles themselves, there have been some conclusions that the NA Cup squad can use :

1) Elite weapons.

Elite weapons are needed. Period.

"Play for Free.Pay to Win". Simple as that.

2) Karkand is a 4-Engineer map/ Vehicles are not useful

Against an enemy whose members include 1 or 2 "vehicle specialists" with Vehicle Skills ( thus, diminished infantry-related skills ) and uses vehicles regularly, 4 Engineers are enough to repel any mechanized assault.

More than that, having a member or more specialized in vehicles, like I was, is actually a liability.

In their current incarnation, vehicles are quite simply, un-useful. Thin-skinned against sustained Engineer RPG volleys, loud, visible, easily tagged and with armament that is just barely adequate against infantry ( Tank requires a direct hit pretty much, Tank MG spread makes is medium-ranged weapon, APC 5-round burst inadequate to the furious and inevitably close-quarters combat of Karkand ), they are of low usefulness against infantry.

Yes, against enemy vehicles, both the Tank and APC are useful, but from the experience of the match, I would rate the anti-infantry usefulness of vehicles on Karkand quite low.

As such, I would discourage the use of the Tank/APC except in very particular set pieces, or as a tactical trump card to throw the enemy off-balance.

It should not, however, be a fixture of the battlefield, as I attempted to use them.

Additionally, I would discourage investing points in either vehicles or repair skills exactly because of what has been mentioned above.

3) Infiltration is key

8 men are too little to secure Karkand, as such, 1-man infiltrations are do-able and deadly. Armed with an MP5, enemy engineers regularly ripped through our positions by flanking us and hitting us from the rear.

4) Claymores and Motion Sensors effectively counter Infiltration

Our Sniper, Icebox, used motion sensors to provide us with details on enemy movements. When the Eagles did coordinate, using the info from the sensors resulting in significant, if temporary, victories.

Additionally, unlike Sharqi or Basra, Karkand is not known as a "Claymore map". As such, claymores can be used with great effect particularly against infiltrators.

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Well, this is about it. I hope you learn from our experience.

You better!

Hey 1st Battalion good job We did great!

First round we did good in the beginning (which is what we need) and then they happened to take 3 flags. We came back and won by like 20 points.

2nd round we won by like 100 points, 3rd round we demoralized them.

GG to FX clan though, both did good :p

heres the win screen from the 3rd round, my other 2 screens didnt save for some reason

Just to be clear, I was best engiee the first 2 times

No you werent :p

No I was best engiee the first 2 rounds. Not at the top of the scoreboard.

Im sorry I couldnt make it... I should be in vent later tonight, after I get home and such.

Congratulations to the Western Hemisphere Divison

I knew you would win.
Here are some screens from the warm-up before the cup and the victoryparty on top of the Hotel ;-)

I am sorry to hear that the eagles did poorly. Hopefully you guys can use this next week to get some good quality practice in and get that coerision that is vital to a good team. The mostly bronco NA team rocked it. Well done Bronco's. Now for more practices....

This is all I got from wid: "Welcome to hell ladies"

Nice pics toryin... High Graphics are so awesome

Yeah, just to be clear as well, I was a great assault the first two rounds. That last round score is....misinforming lol. I just kinda fell behind. But we worked well, and I look forward to next weeks rounds

Ya I agree. I had something in my eye that round. I dont care. So long as we win. It's not about score, kills, or deaths to me. Although that laptop would be sweet to have.

Toryin, how u take that pics ?
I mean, where is ur gun :O ?

LOL iron, I don't wanna hear it. but to be honest, if I was to win the laptop, i'd either donate it to another clan member or sell it for money to buy a better desktop. I hate laptops, the ability to be mobile is enough for me to give up desktops.

I take the screenshot when i switch between weapons ;-)

It was pretty good

Hey guys who's going to post the match topic for us on the P4F cup forums? I don't have any screenshots of it :/

Sadly I only got the screenshot for the 3rd match (others didnt save ;( ), even if no one else has any I don't think it will be much of an issue, it was a scrimmage match, both teams are moving on as neither of the other teams showed. (really hope this is the case, and it dont come back to bite us)

its not about winning or losing guys it about having fun right guys? right?

yes if you had fun you won

Yes we are supposed to have fun, but I much prefer to win as well. My big thing is I want everyone's attention and focus so we can put forth our best effort as the 13th MEU. Even if we do lose, I want it to be because we were out matched, not because we were unorganized. We showed (atleast 1st batt) alot of teamwork and coordination. (based on the post I read, 2nd batt knows now what they need to work on )